Comments on: KotOR II: Main Plot Theory http://bloggochicago.com/2004/12/26/kotor-ii-main-plot-theory/ blah blah blah from the northwest side Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:50:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Lady Revan http://bloggochicago.com/2004/12/26/kotor-ii-main-plot-theory/#comment-272 Lady Revan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://bloggochicago.com/?p=492#comment-272 Hey, CR! o.o You write alot. ^^ Anyway, I just wanted to point out that for some reason, I didn't come off with the same impression of Revan's fate as you. I don't know why for certain, but I didn't seem to think that Kreia implied that good ol' Rev was dead. Because she *did* say, (or someone did) that when Revan reached the Rim she left the Hawk and the droids behind. (HK and T3 were the only members of the original party that she had taken along.) *If* you manage to get T3 to show you the hologram recording of Carth (Female Revan only. Bastila for the guys.) then your character quickly picks up on the idea that T3 had in fact been searching for your character, presumably under Revan's orders. This is further brought into play when it is mentioned that T3 himself is responsible for the locking of the navigation system, namely to hide where the ship has been. My thought is that this is because Revan believed if any of her former companions got ahold of the Hawk (namely Carth) then they would use the system to track where she was, and where she had gone and would come to her aid at risk to themselves. So she left the Hawk, ordered T3 to lock the navigation system, and gave both him and HK (presumably) orders to find your character, knowing somehow that you were the only other one who could help her. Or perhaps Rev remembered your power and abilities from the War. HK furthers this idea when you ask him what Revan though of you. As to how Kreia obtained the Hawk, did she not say that she was on the Harbinger with you? I think she said that, but then again, I also seem to recall her seeming to hint that she had obtained the Hawk somehow. Bad storywriting, or just more of her cryptic-ness? Either way, it seems that she probably came across it by far more benign means, not by Revan's death. More than likely T3 was flying it around and Fate, the Force, sheer coincidence, or something like that led Kreia to it. This part is far more hazy for me, but I'm almost certain that Kreia didn't even see Revan after she left for the Mandalorian Wars...or right before she went Dark thereafter. Either way, that's just how I interpreted it. ^^ Hey, CR! o.o You write alot. ^^ Anyway, I just wanted to point out that for some reason, I didn’t come off with the same impression of Revan’s fate as you. I don’t know why for certain, but I didn’t seem to think that Kreia implied that good ol’ Rev was dead. Because she *did* say, (or someone did) that when Revan reached the Rim she left the Hawk and the droids behind. (HK and T3 were the only members of the original party that she had taken along.) *If* you manage to get T3 to show you the hologram recording of Carth (Female Revan only. Bastila for the guys.) then your character quickly picks up on the idea that T3 had in fact been searching for your character, presumably under Revan’s orders. This is further brought into play when it is mentioned that T3 himself is responsible for the locking of the navigation system, namely to hide where the ship has been. My thought is that this is because Revan believed if any of her former companions got ahold of the Hawk (namely Carth) then they would use the system to track where she was, and where she had gone and would come to her aid at risk to themselves. So she left the Hawk, ordered T3 to lock the navigation system, and gave both him and HK (presumably) orders to find your character, knowing somehow that you were the only other one who could help her. Or perhaps Rev remembered your power and abilities from the War. HK furthers this idea when you ask him what Revan though of you.

As to how Kreia obtained the Hawk, did she not say that she was on the Harbinger with you? I think she said that, but then again, I also seem to recall her seeming to hint that she had obtained the Hawk somehow. Bad storywriting, or just more of her cryptic-ness? Either way, it seems that she probably came across it by far more benign means, not by Revan’s death. More than likely T3 was flying it around and Fate, the Force, sheer coincidence, or something like that led Kreia to it. This part is far more hazy for me, but I’m almost certain that Kreia didn’t even see Revan after she left for the Mandalorian Wars…or right before she went Dark thereafter.

Either way, that’s just how I interpreted it. ^^

]]> By: Barb http://bloggochicago.com/2004/12/26/kotor-ii-main-plot-theory/#comment-273 Barb Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://bloggochicago.com/?p=492#comment-273 LR--I type 100wpm, so writing a lot is nothing for me. Still, in school it was always a struggle to write a 10-page paper, but I always attributed that to my tight prose style. ^_^ Now that I've played through a second time a lot more makes sense. The first time I played I had a lot of questions that were unanswered because I only got a few options of questions to ask Kreia at the end. The second time, I got to ask what happens to my friends, specifically Visas and if I saved her; Disciple and if he loves me (yuck); Atton and if he loves me (I guess Kreia doesn't think so, but she never "approved" of him anyway); whether or not Kreia loves me; what will happen to Dantooine, Telos, Onderon, Korriban, the Mandalorians, and the Republic. Kreia also told me that Revan went to the Unknown Regions and why she had to leave Carth behind. I didn't get any of this the first time. I figured that T3 had something to do with the navicomp, but my repair skill was never high enough to unlock everything. So anyway, I never got the holo of Carth. I was unable to find all the parts to HK the second time, but the first time I played I remember having the option of asking him if he knew anything about love. He gave a typically HK anti-meatbag answer, of course. Why anyone would ask HK that is beyond me. ^_^ What you say makes a lot of sense though, especially since I got Kreia to tell me that where Revan went, she doen't need machines. So Revan probably did send the droids to find you. But when I confronted Atris near the end of the game, she says that she was the one who leaked information about you to the Republic, in order to draw you out to use as bait for the Sith, though I don't know if the latter was the Republic's intention. For example, after you leave Citadel Station to go planetside and Lt. Grenn tells Carth that you escaped, Carth--excuse me, Admiral Onasi--says: "Well, that's unfortunate, but luckily it still fits our plans [...] I'll tell you more when I arrive, but the Republic has decided not to detain the exile, and adopt a wait-and-see approach." Grenn, apparently, didn't realize that you're the exile ("The exile? Then--"). Unfortunately, we never see the conversation they have when Carth arrives at Citadel Station. This is why, after playing the first time, it seemed to me that the only reason Carth is looking for the exile is to ask about Revan. But obviously, there's more to it then that, I'm just not sure what. I know Atris is tied to this somehow. I'm playing a third time now--I'm determined to turn all the meatbags in my party into Jedi ^_^--and, geek that I am, have been taking notes (as you saw above). I figured out this much: Kreia was on the Ebon Hawk, not the Harbinger. The first HK-50 entered a request in your datapad to go to med bay for a "routine examination" and a sedative (though he left that part out), then put you in the Harbinger's cargo hold after the captain got Carth's permission to check out the battle nearby, which turns out to be the Sith chasing the Ebon Hawk. I asked Kreia, "How did you know I was on the Harbinger?" She says: "You were difficult to find, but...coincidence was on our side. When I learned that you were on the vessel, I knew the Sith would not be far behind. "When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you." Until I read your comment, I had no idea who "we" referred to. Now, I suppose she means herself, T3, and HK. But she's so impatient with T3, poor little guy! My first time through, I suspected that T3 had something to do with locking the navicomp because HK walks in on him. But when I ask HK about it, he basically says he doesn't know anything. Then, the second time I played, T3 is in the Communications Room when Disciple goes in there to send a message to the Republic. Atton catches him and accuses him of being a Republic spy. As far as I can remember, Disciple just says something about no one being able to track the transmission's origin. In any case, the ending was much more satisfying after I got more answers out of Kreia. LR–I type 100wpm, so writing a lot is nothing for me. Still, in school it was always a struggle to write a 10-page paper, but I always attributed that to my tight prose style. ^_^

Now that I’ve played through a second time a lot more makes sense. The first time I played I had a lot of questions that were unanswered because I only got a few options of questions to ask Kreia at the end.

The second time, I got to ask what happens to my friends, specifically Visas and if I saved her; Disciple and if he loves me (yuck); Atton and if he loves me (I guess Kreia doesn’t think so, but she never “approved” of him anyway); whether or not Kreia loves me; what will happen to Dantooine, Telos, Onderon, Korriban, the Mandalorians, and the Republic.

Kreia also told me that Revan went to the Unknown Regions and why she had to leave Carth behind. I didn’t get any of this the first time.

I figured that T3 had something to do with the navicomp, but my repair skill was never high enough to unlock everything. So anyway, I never got the holo of Carth. I was unable to find all the parts to HK the second time, but the first time I played I remember having the option of asking him if he knew anything about love. He gave a typically HK anti-meatbag answer, of course. Why anyone would ask HK that is beyond me. ^_^

What you say makes a lot of sense though, especially since I got Kreia to tell me that where Revan went, she doen’t need machines. So Revan probably did send the droids to find you.

But when I confronted Atris near the end of the game, she says that she was the one who leaked information about you to the Republic, in order to draw you out to use as bait for the Sith, though I don’t know if the latter was the Republic’s intention. For example, after you leave Citadel Station to go planetside and Lt. Grenn tells Carth that you escaped, Carth–excuse me, Admiral Onasi–says: “Well, that’s unfortunate, but luckily it still fits our plans [...] I’ll tell you more when I arrive, but the Republic has decided not to detain the exile, and adopt a wait-and-see approach.” Grenn, apparently, didn’t realize that you’re the exile (”The exile? Then–”).

Unfortunately, we never see the conversation they have when Carth arrives at Citadel Station. This is why, after playing the first time, it seemed to me that the only reason Carth is looking for the exile is to ask about Revan. But obviously, there’s more to it then that, I’m just not sure what. I know Atris is tied to this somehow.

I’m playing a third time now–I’m determined to turn all the meatbags in my party into Jedi ^_^–and, geek that I am, have been taking notes (as you saw above). I figured out this much: Kreia was on the Ebon Hawk, not the Harbinger. The first HK-50 entered a request in your datapad to go to med bay for a “routine examination” and a sedative (though he left that part out), then put you in the Harbinger’s cargo hold after the captain got Carth’s permission to check out the battle nearby, which turns out to be the Sith chasing the Ebon Hawk.

I asked Kreia, “How did you know I was on the Harbinger?” She says:

“You were difficult to find, but…coincidence was on our side. When I learned that you were on the vessel, I knew the Sith would not be far behind.

“When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you.”

Until I read your comment, I had no idea who “we” referred to. Now, I suppose she means herself, T3, and HK. But she’s so impatient with T3, poor little guy!

My first time through, I suspected that T3 had something to do with locking the navicomp because HK walks in on him. But when I ask HK about it, he basically says he doesn’t know anything. Then, the second time I played, T3 is in the Communications Room when Disciple goes in there to send a message to the Republic. Atton catches him and accuses him of being a Republic spy. As far as I can remember, Disciple just says something about no one being able to track the transmission’s origin.

In any case, the ending was much more satisfying after I got more answers out of Kreia.

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